Evil men and Seducers! evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived.
I (tracy) wrote about this years ago, see http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/niv.htm
and now see how it is coming to pass.
Subject: Bible to Be Issued in Gender-Neutral Version
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:25:43 -0500
From: "av1611" <av1611@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Dr. Scott J." <av1611@ix.netcom.com>
----- Original Message -----
Bible to Be Issued in Gender-Neutral Version
Monday, January 28, 2002
The Bible, which once taught men how to be better God-fearing citizens,
will now teach "people" the same lesson.
Starting with its next update, America's most popular modern Bible is
going to be gender neutral, the International Bible Society said Monday.
The new version will be called "Today's New International Version," or
TNIV, with a New Testament on sale in April and the full Bible expected
by 2005. The original "New International Version," which has sold more
than 150 million copies worldwide since 1978, will remain on the market.
Examples of some changes from 1978 to 2002: "sons of God" to "children of
God" in Matthew 5:9, and "a man is justified by faith" to "a person is
justified by faith" in Romans 3:28.
A publicity release says "the TNIV is not merely a gender-accurate
edition of the NIV," because 70 percent of the changes do not relate to
gender. Also, terms referring to God and Jesus Christ have not been
altered.
Both versions, the work of evangelical translators, are especially
popular in the conservative, Protestant heart of America's competitive
Bible market. The idea of a gender-neutral has drawn fierce criticism
from traditionalists.
Randy Stinson, executive director of the Council on Biblical Manhood
and Womanhood, a Louisville, Ky., group that works to preserve gender
specific language, said Monday he had not yet seen the revisions but
was concerned that word meanings may have been altered.
"This is incredibly serious to evangelicals, how the Bible is
translated," Stinson said. "We believe the Bible is the word of God,
so changing these things deliberately is dangerous." [Re 22: 18-19]
Scott Bolinder, executive vice president and publisher at Zondervan,
said there are relatively few changes involving gender and those have
only been made "to reflect the original meaning of the text."
"There's no social agenda," he said.
The older version's gender usage became hotly disputed in 1997 when
World magazine, a conservative weekly, reported that the Bible society
was working on an inclusive-language revision. The society had already
published such an edition with a British publisher.
When Leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest U.S.
Protestant denomination, and James Dobson of the influential "Focus
on the Family" radio broadcast criticized the language plan, the Bible
Society changed its mind and halted publication of Britain's inclusive
edition. After meeting with its critics, the society said it had "abandoned
all plans for gender-related changes in future editions of the New
International Version."
Throughout this change, the wordplay's the thing. Technically, the Bible
Society, based in Colorado Springs, Colo., is hewing to the letter of its
pledge because the latest version won't replace the "New International
Version" â€" it will just be sold alongside the older translation.
Like the 1978 Bible, the new version is aimed
at Protestants, and will not appear in an edition with the extra biblical
books recognized by Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches.
The major U.S. sales competitor for the NIV has been the venerable King
James Version. But the international versions will now also have to
compete with two evangelical translations that appeared last year:
• "English Standard Version" from Crossway, a slight update of the 1952
Revised Standard Version that makes modest use of gender-free
terminology.
• "Holman Christian Standard Bible" from Broadman & Holman, the Southern
Baptist book house, which rejects gender-neutral wording. It is currently
available only in the New Testament, with the full Bible due in 2004.
The new translation has cost $2 million to date. Zondervan of Grand
Rapids, Mich., which is owned by Harper Collins and holds North
American rights for both versions, did not disclose other financial terms.
All or part of the Bible is currently available in some 70 English
translations.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
--------------------------------
A link to a CNN article on this subject--
http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/01/28/new.bible.ap/index.html
(AP) -- The International Bible Society
said Monday that America's best-selling
modern version of the Bible is about to
get an update using gender-neutral
wording -- despite past criticism of that
idea from conservatives.
[Another email I received:]
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:59:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Look at this
To: webmaster@jesus-is-lord.com
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0102/0128bible.html
"They profess that they know God; but in works they
deny him, being abominable, and disobedient…" Titus
1:16.
[The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 1.28.2002]
New gender-neutral Bible to debut in April
The Associated Press
The International Bible Society said Monday that
America's best-selling modern Bible is about to get an
update using gender-neutral wording, despite past
criticism of that idea from conservatives.
The revision will be called "Today's New International
Version," or TNIV. The original "New International
Version," which has sold more than 150 million copies
worldwide since 1978, will remain on the market.
The New Testament of the latest version goes on sale
in April with the full Bible including Old Testament
books expected by 2005.
Zondervan of Grand Rapids, Mich., owned by
HarperCollins, holds North American rights for both
versions. To date, the Bible society and Zondervan
have spent $2 million to develop the new translation
but they did not disclose other financial terms.
Both versions, the work of evangelical translators,
are especially popular in the conservative, Protestant
heart of America's competitive Bible market.
The older version's gender usage became hotly disputed
in 1997 when World magazine, a conservative weekly,
reported that the Bible society was working on an
inclusive-language revision. The society had already
published such an edition with a British publisher.
Leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention, the
largest U.S. Protestant denomination, criticized the
language change, as did James Dobson of the
influential "Focus on the Family" radio broadcast.
After meeting with critics, the Bible society said it
would halt publication of Britain's inclusive edition
and had "abandoned all plans for gender-related
changes in future editions of the New International
Version."
The Bible society, based in Colorado Springs, Colo.,
isn't quite abandoning its pledge because the latest
version won't replace the "New International Version"
-- it will just be sold alongside the older
translation.
Examples of some changes from 1978 to 2002: "sons of
God" to "children of God" in Matthew 5:9, and "a man
is justified by faith" to "a person is justified by
faith" in Romans 3:28.
A publicity release says "the TNIV is not merely a
gender-accurate edition of the NIV," because 70
percent of the changes do not relate to gender. Also,
terms referring to God and Jesus Christ have not been
altered.
Like the 1978 Bible, the new version is aimed at
Protestants, and will not appear in an edition with
the extra biblical books recognized by Roman Catholic
and Orthodox churches.
The major U.S. sales competitor for the NIV has been
the venerable King James Version. But the
international versions will now also have to compete
with two evangelical translations that appeared last
year:
--"English Standard Version" from Crossway, a slight
update of the 1952 Revised Standard Version that makes
modest use of gender-free terminology.
--"Holman Christian Standard Bible" from Broadman &
Holman, the Southern Baptist book house, which rejects
gender-neutral wording. It is currently available only
in the New Testament, with the full Bible due in 2004.
All or part of the Bible is currently available in
some 70 English translations.
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Another email:
New Gender-Neutral Bible Planned
By RICHARD N. OSTLING
.c The Associated Press
The International Bible Society said Monday that America's best-selling modern Bible is
about to get an update using gender-neutral wording, despite past criticism of that idea from conservatives. The revision will be called ``Today's New International Version,'' or TNIV. The original `` New International Version,'' which has sold more than 150 million copies worldwide since 1978, will remain on the market. The New Testament of the latest version goes on sale in April with the full Bible including Old Testament books expected by 2005. Zondervan of Grand Rapids, Mich., owned by HarperCollins, holds North American rights for both versions. To date, the Bible society and Zondervan have spent $2 million to develop the new translation but they did not disclose other financial terms. Both versions, the work of evangelical translators, are especially popular in the conservative, Protestant heart of America's competitive Bible market. Randy Stinson, executive director of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, a Louisville, Ky., group that works to preserve gender specific language, said Monday he had not yet seen the revisions but was concerned that word meanings may have been altered. ``This is incredibly serious to evangelicals, how the Bible is translated,'' Stinson said. `` We believe the Bible is the word of God, so changing these things deliberately is dangerous.'' The older version's gender usage became hotly disputed in 1997 when World magazine, a conservative weekly, reported that the Bible society was working on an inclusive-language revision. The society had already published such an edition with a British publisher. Leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest U.S. Protestant denomination, criticized the language change, as did James Dobson of the influential ``Focus on the Family'' radio broadcast. After meeting with critics, the Bible society said it would halt publication of Britain's inclusive edition and had ``abandoned all plans for gender-related changes in future editions of the New International Version.'' The Bible society, based in Colorado Springs, Colo., isn't quite abandoning its pledge because the latest version won't replace the ``New International Version'' - it will just be sold alongside the older translation. Examples of some changes from 1978 to 2002: ``sons of God'' to ``children of God'' in Matthew 5:9, and ``a man is justified by faith'' to ``a person is justified by faith'' in Romans 3:28. A publicity release says ``the TNIV is not merely a gender-accurate edition of the NIV,'' because 70 percent of the changes do not relate to gender. Also, terms referring to God and Jesus Christ have not been altered. Like the 1978 Bible, the new version is aimed at Protestants, and will not appear in an edition with the extra biblical books recognized by Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches. The major U.S. sales competitor for the NIV has been the venerable King James Version. But the international versions will now also have to compete with two evangelical translations that appeared last year: ``English Standard Version'' from Crossway, a slight update of the 1952 Revised Standard Version that makes modest use of gender-free terminology. ``Holman Christian Standard Bible'' from Broadman & Holman, the Southern Baptist book house, which rejects gender-neutral wording. It is currently available only in the New Testament, with the full Bible due in 2004.
All or part of the Bible is currently available in some 70 English translations.
On the Net:
International Bible Society: http://www.gospelcom.net/ibs
AP-NY-01-28-02 1111EST
-----Original Message-----
From: Best of the Christian Web <newsletter@botcw.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:14:18 -0500 (EST)
To: glen@baptistmail.com
Subject: BOTCW Newsletter 02.06.02
Best of the Christian Web Newsletter February 8, 2002
http://www.botcw.com Issue Number 39
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TNIV ALTERS WORD OF GOD - Changes Gender References
International Bible Society Bows to Political Correctness
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Last week, Zondervan and the International Bible Society (IBS)
announced plans to publish Today's New International Version of
the Bible. Zondervan officials say the new version uses generic
language where the meaning of the text was intended to include
both men and women. Examples of some changes include "sons of God"
being changed to "children of God," and "brothers" becoming
"brothers and sisters".
These changes have received approval from several "Biblical
Scholars" and professors. But, many more are expressing their
concern over the liberties that IBS translators took with the
original manuscripts.
Some of the most respected scholars in the Christian community
have refused to support this translation, including two Southern
Baptist Convention seminary presidents, R. Albert Mohler Jr. of
Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and Paige Patterson of
Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, along with Wayne Grudem
of Phoenix Seminary in Scottsdale, Ariz., and a past president of
the Evangelical Theological Society; Harold O.J. Brown of Reformed
Theological Seminary; R.C. Sproul of Ligonier Ministries; John
Piper of Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis; and Raymond C.
Ortlund Jr. of First Presbyterian Church, Augusta, Ga.
These scholars issued the following statement:
"In light of troubling translation inaccuracies -- primarily (but
not exclusively) in relation to gender language -- that introduce
distortions of the meanings that were conveyed better by the
original NIV, we cannot endorse the TNIV translation as
sufficiently accurate to commend to the church."
Best of the Christian Web Response
After reviewing the changes made in the TNIV and reading numerous
articles and quotes from respected Christian leaders, Best of the
Christian Web can not endorse this translation. I believe this
is a direct attempt to bring to market a politically correct Bible
that meets the approval of today's feminist movement. IBS has
taken it upon themselves to decide what the authors of the Bible
MEANT too say or SHOULD have said instead of producing an accurate
translation of what they ACTUALLY said.
Thousands of years ago the original Old Testament manuscripts were
meticulously copied by hand, letter by letter. Great care was
taken so as not to change one letter when copying. What if each
generation of scribes had made small changes to reflect their
times and to make the manuscripts "easier to read". I dare say we
would have a much different Bible than we have today.
The translators of today should be as meticulous as the Scribes
that created the original manuscripts we have today.
Unfortunately, IBS was not as meticulous as the Scribes.
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Other Responses to Zondervan's Decision to Publish the TNIV
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James Dobson - "... I am now adding my name to the list of those
who disagree with the liberties IBS has taken with God's Word in
the new translation."
http://www.family.org/welcome/press/a0019505.html
Bible Scholars Claim "Gender-Neutral" Bible Distorts Scripture
http://www.cbmw.org/resources/tniv/scholars.html
WorldMag - Playing Word Games: IBS Unveils Gender-Normed NIV Under
New Name.
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/02-09-02/opening_2.asp
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*** EXAMPLES OF CHANGES FROM NIV TO TNIV ***
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NIV Hebrews 2:6 What is man that you are mindful of him, the son
of man that you care for him?
TNIV Hebrews 2:6 What are mere mortals that you are mindful of
them, human beings that you care for them?
Comment: Removes the possibility of connecting this with Jesus,
who called himself "the Son of Man." Mistranslates the singular
Greek words huios ("son") and anthropos ("man"). No longer calls
the human race "man," but "mere mortals." This adds the idea of
mortality that is not in the Greek text. (Note that man as created
by God was not mortal, and this passage has creation language in
it.)
NIV Hebrews 12:7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating
you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
TNIV Hebrews 12:7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating
you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by
their parents?
Comment: Mistranslates Greek terms huios ("son") and pater
("father"), which in their singular forms cannot mean "child" or
"parent." Obscures the parallel with God as Father.
NIV Luke 17:3 If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents,
forgive him.
TNIV: Luke 17:3 If any brother or sister sins against you, rebuke
the offender; and if they repent, forgive them.
Comment: (1) Inserts "or sister," which Jesus did not say. Jesus
is using a single male individual ("your brother") as an example
of a general truth, but TNIV will not let him do this. (Greek can
say "brother or sister" when it wishes, as in James 2:15 "Suppose
a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.") (2)
Translates Greek singular pronoun autos ("he, him") as "them,"
which is fuzzy "PC grammar" in written English and puzzles readers
who will wonder if Jesus meant that plural people ("they") had to
repent. (This change to what the TNIV preface calls "singular
'they/their/them'" has been done throughout the whole New
Testament.)
For more examples visit:
http://www.cbmw.org/resources/tniv/short-list.html
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Last week we asked if you believe the TNIV is an accurate
translation of the original manuscripts.
As of Tuesday night 280 users said yes this is an accurate
translation while 2120 said no, this translation is not in keeping
with the original text.
I would like to note that within a few hours after the poll was
announced in the newsletter we received 55 votes from users
working at IBS (IP numbers are recorded to prevent multiple
voting) So out of the 280 yes votes at least 55 were from IBS.
Since the response to this poll has been so great and this topic
remains in the forefront of Christian news we are going to leave
it up for one more week.
To vote go to http://www.botcw.com and look for the poll question
in the middle of the page.
Also, please join our discussion and let us know why you agree
or disagree.
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