Tongues

<< {KJV} 1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefor,brethren,covet to prophesy,and Forbid Not to speack with tongues.... with all praise to the Father and Son and Holy Ghost Kenneth Caldwell {Pentecostal} LoL ,saved you from gessing... >>

The Pentecostal brother "forgot" to include the context. It's easy to make a scripture have a "private" interpretation if you isolate it.

1 Cor 14:37-39 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

The first admonition is for one who is spiritual to acknowledge the commandments that Paul had written. The commandments concerning tongues are routinely ignored by Pentecostals.

1 Cor 14:1-2 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Seek other gifts besides tongues, because nobody understands them (also see verses 3-5).

1 Cor 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

1 Cor 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

1 Cor 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. Tongues by themselves are of NO profit. They are nothing but hot air from a barbarian.

1 Cor 14:19-20 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

Tongues are childish, cannot teach, nor be understood.

1 Cor 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

As also evidenced by Acts 2, tongues were not for the congregation, they were spoken by the preacher.

1 Cor 14:27-28 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Tongues could not be spoken by more than a few, and an interpreter was an ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT.

1 Cor 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Women were to keep their tongues in their mouths.

These regulations are violated by Pentecostals on a regular basis. But there's an easier way out:

1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a SIGN, not to them that believe, but to them that BELIEVE NOT:

1 Cor 1:22 For the JEWS require a SIGN, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

So tongues (which can never be shown to be anything but a LANGUAGE, not babble) are a SIGN for LOST JEWS. If you are an unsaved Jew from the Apostolic remnant, God may have a preacher preach in your language so you can get saved. This is what we see in the only three instances of tongues being spoken in the Bible.

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Back to the text. If someone refuses to heed Paul's admonitions, let him be ignorant. Let him make a fool of himself and babble on, but covet instead to preach, like Paul said all along.

<< Forbid not...Not my word's GOD'S >>

You slice off God's words explaining "forbid not". As I quoted in it's entirety before, it says, "if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant ... forbid not". It's saying to let him go on if he ignores Paul's admonitions. It's NOT saying that it's right to speak in tongues.

<< The commandments concerning tongues are routinely ignored by Pentecostals. How so?>>

Did you read the post? I gave several ways that the commandments are routinely violated, and the relevant scripture:

  • Tongues were LANGUAGES (Acts 2)
  • NOT all have divers tongues (1Cor 12:10 & 30)
  • The Spirit decides, not us (1Cor 12:11)
  • Tongues shall CEASE (1Cor 13:8)
  • Tongues NOT for speaking to men (1Cor 14:2)
  • Men can't understand them (1 Cor 14:2)
  • They are NO profit without an interpreter (1 Cor 14:6)
  • Use EASILY understood words (1Cor 14:9)
  • The meaning must be known (1Cor 14:11)
  • Understanding must be fruitful (1Cor 14:14)
  • They're for a SIGN (1Cor 14:22)
  • SIGNS are for UNBELIEVING JEWS (1Cor 1:22)
  • By no more than two or three (1Cor 14:27)
  • By course (1Cor 14:27)
  • Women keep SILENT (1Cor 14:34)
  • Spoken by the preacher, not congregation (Acts 2)
  • << Is your Spirit, sorry MY spirit praying UNTO GOD a bad thing???? >>
  • No. That's not what tongues are all about, as abused by Pentecostals. If your spirit prayed to God, nobody else would ever know about it. The only time anyone else would find out about "tongues" is if they are spoken to other people.

    However, tongues were permitted (with ALL the restrictions) THEN, to reach unbelieving Jews of the remnant from the time of Christ. They are NOT able to accomplish that today (the Jews from then are all dead), thus they are obsolete.

    << IS GOD NOBODY? 1 COR 14:2 Speaketh not unto men, BUT UNTO GOD! >>

    Then why do I gotta hear about Pentecostals speaking tongues to God? I'm not God, I should never hear about it. The very fact that I hear about it proves that you are not keeping them between you and God.

    << DO you speak in tongues Brother, i do >

    I speak English. I had two years of Spanish, and intro to French and German. I also speak Pig-Latin, which is more scriptural than the tongues most Pentecostals babble.

    << Tongues could not be spoken by more than a few, and an interpreter was an ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT. Please how did you get this?? >>

    From the Bible. You should try going by it, instead of whatever you are following. I typed it slow this time so you could keep up:

    1 Cor 14:27-28 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by TWO, or at the most by THREE, and that by course; and let one INTERPRET. But IF there be NO INTERPRETER, let him KEEP SILENCE in the CHURCH; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

    << CONTEXT PLEASE!!! Finish this Verse and add 23. >>

    Okay. I'll even include more than that:

    1 Cor 14:20-23 Brethren, be not CHILDREN in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore TONGUES are for a SIGN, not to them that believe, but to them that BELIEVE NOT: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. IF therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that YE ARE MAD?

    << Talk's about Preaching JESUS, I'M for that >>

    1 Cor 1:21-23 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the JEWS require a SIGN, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: BUT we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

    EXACTLY! We are to AVOID SIGNS (and wisdom of men) and PREACH (Prophesy) CHRIST! Amen, you are finally getting it!

    << only three instances of tongues being spoken in the Bible. HOW many time's does GOD have to say something? >>

    Once is enough. Like Him telling us that TONGUES are for a SIGN to UNBELIEVING JEWS, and not for the Gentiles or the church. They certainly were used, those few times, for a specific purpose that no longer exists today.

    << WHO IS IGNORANT ?? the unlearned or unbelievers!! >

    Sorry Mario, the Princess is in another castle! The IGNORANT are ANY who IGNORE Paul's commandments, not just unlearned or unbelievers. READ the verses!

    1 Cor 14:37-38 If ANY man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if ANY man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

    2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Acts Chapter 2:
    1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
    2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
    ( Does this happen when Pentecostals speak in tongues?)
    3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    ( How about this? Don't they burn?)
    4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    ( NOT of their own desire, AS the H.S. ...)
    ( Notice THEY, the Apostles from Acts 1:26, spoke, not the assembly, they heard)

    ****Notice verse 4:
    "with OTHER tongues" not "in tongues" and "TONGUES" is plural. (Meaning more than 1 language)
    5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
    6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

    ****Notice verse 5 and 6:
    Verse 5: "out of every nation under heaven"
    All men who were there no matter where their from.
    Verse 6:
    "because that every man HEARD them speak in his OWN LANGUAGE."
    Now, from verse 4 to verse 6 we have learned that Tongues mentioned in the above passages are refering to LANGUAGES.

    **No jibberish yet because all men UNDERSTOOD. (Amen! That meshes well with the admonitions in 1 Cor. that tongues must be interpreted & understood)
    7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
    8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

    ****Again notice the pluralness of "HEAR we every man" still more than one tongue(language) as from "wherein we were born" same as native tongue.

    *****Still no mention of an unknown tongue at this time because all men UNDERSTOOD, and no mention of a heavenly language that only a few could understand.
    9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
    10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
    11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

    ****Again the many languages spoken here that they "do HEAR them speak" Everybody HEARD and understood what was said.. So far, the only miricle here is not speaking "in tongues" but it is the HEARING that also was in the miricle. ( Both happened. Verse 4 says they SPOKE with other tongues, this says they HEARD. I think the Apostles simply spoke, and it "came out" in other languages, NOT of their own doing.)
    12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
    13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
    ( It was not "fermented" wine, but new wine. They were MOCKING them that they were drunk on "grape juice". It would not be mocking to say they were drunk on booze, because booze really makes one drunk.)
    14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
    15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day. ( Peter throws their own words back at them)
    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    ****NOTICE verses 17 and 18:
    God said, "I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:" Where the sons and daughters shall prophesy and the young men will see visions and old men dream dreams, ( No mention of speaking in tongues.) and verse 18 says that the servants and handmaidens will prophesy.

    **Still haven't found a heavenly language of any sort OR tongues. Acts 10:46
    46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

    ****(Again same situation here as in Chapter 2:1-4) Nothing added and nothing new. ( A mixed crowd of Jew and Gentile were here. The tongues were for the benefit of the jews, as part of them learning that the Gospel was now offered to Gentiles) Acts 19:6
    6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

    ****Again, tongues is plural, meaning more than 1 different language. and they prophesied (preached). Who did they preach too in tongues? Why would they preach to God? Still no mention of a Heavenly language. ( Again, just like 1 Cor 1:22 & 14:22 say, tongues were signs for Jews. 18:28 shows Paul convincing Jews and 19:8 has him disputing with Jews in the synagogue) Acts 21:40
    40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto [them] in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

    ****This tongue was named "Hebrew tongue" again, a LANGUAGE. ( Hebrew? Not the language of the Jews!?) Acts 22:2
    2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

    ****Same as above... Acts 26:14
    14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

    ****Again, the language was "Hebrew tongue".

    Until now, there has been no mentioning of a "Blessed Language" between an individual and God..Wherever there was tongues there were men that understood everything in his on language. Blessed be the Power of God.

    If someone does speak in tongues and YOU do not understand them, Then read below:
    I Cor. Chapter 14:
    9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
    10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them [is] without signification.
    11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh [shall be] a barbarian unto me.
    12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual [gifts], seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

    ***** Notice verse 11: If you don't understand, then they are "BARBARIANS" plain and simple..

    No need to speak with a forked tongue, we've got the Bible!

    Teno Groppi