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Tongues
<< {KJV} 1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefor,brethren,covet to prophesy,and Forbid
Not to speack with tongues.... with all praise to
the Father and Son and Holy Ghost Kenneth
Caldwell {Pentecostal} LoL ,saved you from
gessing... >>
The Pentecostal brother "forgot"
to include the context. It's easy to make a
scripture have a "private"
interpretation if you isolate it.
1 Cor 14:37-39 If any man think himself to be
a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that
the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of the Lord. But if any man be
ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore,
brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to
speak with tongues.
The first admonition is for one who is
spiritual to acknowledge the commandments that
Paul had written. The commandments concerning
tongues are routinely ignored by Pentecostals.
1 Cor 14:1-2 Follow after charity, and desire
spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue
speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man
understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he
speaketh mysteries.
Seek other gifts besides tongues, because
nobody understands them (also see verses 3-5).
1 Cor 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you
speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you,
except I shall speak to you either by revelation,
or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by
doctrine?
1 Cor 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by
the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall
it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak
into the air.
1 Cor 14:11 Therefore if I know not the
meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that
speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall
be a barbarian unto me. Tongues by themselves are
of NO profit. They are nothing but hot air from a
barbarian.
1 Cor 14:19-20 Yet in the church I had rather
speak five words with my understanding, that by
my voice I might teach others also, than ten
thousand words in an unknown tongue. Brethren, be
not children in understanding: howbeit in malice
be ye children, but in understanding be men.
Tongues are childish, cannot teach, nor be
understood.
1 Cor 14:23 If therefore the whole church be
come together into one place, and all speak with
tongues, and there come in those that are
unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that
ye are mad?
As also evidenced by Acts 2, tongues were not
for the congregation, they were spoken by the
preacher.
1 Cor 14:27-28 If any man speak in an unknown
tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three,
and that by course; and let one interpret. But if
there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in
the church; and let him speak to himself, and to
God.
Tongues could not be spoken by more than a few,
and an interpreter was an ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT.
1 Cor 14:35 And if they will learn any thing,
let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a
shame for women to speak in the church.
Women were to keep their tongues in their
mouths.
These regulations are violated by Pentecostals
on a regular basis. But there's an easier way out:
1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a SIGN,
not to them that believe, but to them that
BELIEVE NOT:
1 Cor 1:22 For the JEWS require a SIGN, and
the Greeks seek after wisdom:
So tongues (which can never be shown to be
anything but a LANGUAGE, not babble) are a SIGN
for LOST JEWS. If you are an unsaved Jew from the
Apostolic remnant, God may have a preacher preach
in your language so you can get saved. This is
what we see in the only three instances of
tongues being spoken in the Bible.
But if any man be ignorant, let him be
ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy,
and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Back to the text. If someone refuses to heed
Paul's admonitions, let him be ignorant. Let him
make a fool of himself and babble on, but covet
instead to preach, like Paul said all along.
<< Forbid not...Not my word's GOD'S
>>
You slice off God's words explaining "forbid
not". As I quoted in it's entirety before,
it says, "if any man be ignorant, let him be
ignorant ... forbid not". It's saying to let
him go on if he ignores Paul's admonitions. It's
NOT saying that it's right to speak in tongues.
<< The commandments concerning tongues
are routinely ignored by Pentecostals. How so?>>
Did you read the post? I gave several ways
that the commandments are routinely violated, and
the relevant scripture:
- Tongues were LANGUAGES (Acts 2)
- NOT all have divers tongues (1Cor 12:10
& 30)
- The Spirit decides, not us (1Cor 12:11)
- Tongues shall CEASE (1Cor 13:8)
- Tongues NOT for speaking to men (1Cor 14:2)
- Men can't understand them (1 Cor 14:2)
- They are NO profit without an interpreter
(1 Cor 14:6)
- Use EASILY understood words (1Cor 14:9)
- The meaning must be known (1Cor 14:11)
- Understanding must be fruitful (1Cor 14:14)
- They're for a SIGN (1Cor 14:22)
- SIGNS are for UNBELIEVING JEWS (1Cor 1:22)
- By no more than two or three (1Cor 14:27)
- By course (1Cor 14:27)
- Women keep SILENT (1Cor 14:34)
- Spoken by the preacher, not congregation
(Acts 2)
<< Is your Spirit, sorry MY spirit
praying UNTO GOD a bad thing???? >>
No. That's not what tongues are all about,
as abused by Pentecostals. If your spirit
prayed to God, nobody else would ever
know about it. The only time anyone else
would find out about "tongues"
is if they are spoken to other people. However,
tongues were permitted (with ALL the
restrictions) THEN, to reach unbelieving
Jews of the remnant from the time of
Christ. They are NOT able to accomplish
that today (the Jews from then are all
dead), thus they are obsolete.
<< IS GOD NOBODY? 1 COR 14:2
Speaketh not unto men, BUT UNTO GOD!
>>
Then why do I gotta hear about
Pentecostals speaking tongues to God? I'm
not God, I should never hear about it.
The very fact that I hear about it proves
that you are not keeping them between you
and God.
<< DO you speak in tongues
Brother, i do >
I speak English. I had two years of
Spanish, and intro to French and German.
I also speak Pig-Latin, which is more
scriptural than the tongues most
Pentecostals babble.
<< Tongues could not be spoken
by more than a few, and an interpreter
was an ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT. Please how
did you get this?? >>
From the Bible. You should try going
by it, instead of whatever you are
following. I typed it slow this time so
you could keep up:
1 Cor 14:27-28 If any man speak in an
unknown tongue, let it be by TWO, or at
the most by THREE, and that by course;
and let one INTERPRET. But IF there be NO
INTERPRETER, let him KEEP SILENCE in the
CHURCH; and let him speak to himself, and
to God.
<< CONTEXT PLEASE!!! Finish this
Verse and add 23. >>
Okay. I'll even include more than that:
1 Cor 14:20-23 Brethren, be not
CHILDREN in understanding: howbeit in
malice be ye children, but in
understanding be men. In the law it is
written, With men of other tongues and
other lips will I speak unto this people;
and yet for all that will they not hear
me, saith the Lord. Wherefore TONGUES are
for a SIGN, not to them that believe, but
to them that BELIEVE NOT: but prophesying
serveth not for them that believe not,
but for them which believe. IF therefore
the whole church be come together into
one place, and all speak with tongues,
and there come in those that are
unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not
say that YE ARE MAD?
<< Talk's about Preaching JESUS,
I'M for that >>
1 Cor 1:21-23 For after that in the
wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew
not God, it pleased God by the
foolishness of preaching to save them
that believe. For the JEWS require a SIGN,
and the Greeks seek after wisdom: BUT we
preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks
foolishness;
EXACTLY! We are to AVOID SIGNS (and
wisdom of men) and PREACH (Prophesy)
CHRIST! Amen, you are finally getting it!
<< only three instances of
tongues being spoken in the Bible. HOW
many time's does GOD have to say
something? >>
Once is enough. Like Him telling us
that TONGUES are for a SIGN to
UNBELIEVING JEWS, and not for the
Gentiles or the church. They certainly
were used, those few times, for a
specific purpose that no longer exists
today.
<< WHO IS IGNORANT ?? the
unlearned or unbelievers!! >
Sorry Mario, the Princess is in
another castle! The IGNORANT are ANY who
IGNORE Paul's commandments, not just
unlearned or unbelievers. READ the verses!
1 Cor 14:37-38 If ANY man think
himself to be a prophet, or spiritual,
let him acknowledge that the things that
I write unto you are the commandments of
the Lord. But if ANY man be ignorant, let
him be ignorant.
2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself
approved unto God, a workman that needeth
not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the
word of truth.
Acts Chapter 2:
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully
come, they were all with one accord in
one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from
heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and
it filled all the house where they were
sitting.
( Does this happen when Pentecostals
speak in tongues?)
3 And there appeared unto them cloven
tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon
each of them.
( How about this? Don't they burn?)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy
Ghost, and began to speak with other
tongues, as the Spirit gave them
utterance.
( NOT of their own desire, AS the H.S.
...)
( Notice THEY, the Apostles from Acts 1:26,
spoke, not the assembly, they heard)
****Notice verse 4:
"with OTHER tongues" not "in
tongues" and "TONGUES" is
plural. (Meaning more than 1 language)
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem
Jews, devout men, out of every nation
under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the
multitude came together, and were
confounded, because that every man heard
them speak in his own language.
****Notice verse 5 and 6:
Verse 5: "out of every nation under
heaven"
All men who were there no matter where
their from.
Verse 6:
"because that every man HEARD them
speak in his OWN LANGUAGE."
Now, from verse 4 to verse 6 we have
learned that Tongues mentioned in the
above passages are refering to LANGUAGES.
**No jibberish yet because all men
UNDERSTOOD. (Amen! That meshes well with
the admonitions in 1 Cor. that tongues
must be interpreted & understood)
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled,
saying one to another, Behold, are not
all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own
tongue, wherein we were born?
****Again notice the pluralness of
"HEAR we every man" still more
than one tongue(language) as from "wherein
we were born" same as native tongue.
*****Still no mention of an unknown
tongue at this time because all men
UNDERSTOOD, and no mention of a heavenly
language that only a few could understand.
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and
the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in
Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and
Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and
in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and
strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them
speak in our tongues the wonderful works
of God.
****Again the many languages spoken
here that they "do HEAR them speak"
Everybody HEARD and understood what was
said.. So far, the only miricle here is
not speaking "in tongues" but
it is the HEARING that also was in the
miricle. ( Both happened. Verse 4 says
they SPOKE with other tongues, this says
they HEARD. I think the Apostles simply
spoke, and it "came out" in
other languages, NOT of their own doing.)
12 And they were all amazed, and were in
doubt, saying one to another, What
meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are
full of new wine.
( It was not "fermented" wine,
but new wine. They were MOCKING them that
they were drunk on "grape juice".
It would not be mocking to say they were
drunk on booze, because booze really
makes one drunk.)
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven,
lifted up his voice, and said unto them,
Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell
at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and
hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye
suppose, seeing it is [but] the third
hour of the day. ( Peter throws their own
words back at them)
16 But this is that which was spoken by
the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last
days, saith God, I will pour out of my
Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and
your daughters shall prophesy, and your
young men shall see visions, and your old
men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my
handmaidens I will pour out in those days
of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
****NOTICE verses 17 and 18:
God said, "I will pour out of my
Spirit upon all flesh:" Where the
sons and daughters shall prophesy and the
young men will see visions and old men
dream dreams, ( No mention of speaking in
tongues.) and verse 18 says that the
servants and handmaidens will prophesy.
**Still haven't found a heavenly
language of any sort OR tongues. Acts 10:46
46 For they heard them speak with tongues,
and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
****(Again same situation here as in
Chapter 2:1-4) Nothing added and nothing
new. ( A mixed crowd of Jew and Gentile
were here. The tongues were for the
benefit of the jews, as part of them
learning that the Gospel was now offered
to Gentiles) Acts 19:6
6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon
them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and
they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
****Again, tongues is plural, meaning
more than 1 different language. and they
prophesied (preached). Who did they
preach too in tongues? Why would they
preach to God? Still no mention of a
Heavenly language. ( Again, just like 1
Cor 1:22 & 14:22 say, tongues were
signs for Jews. 18:28 shows Paul
convincing Jews and 19:8 has him
disputing with Jews in the synagogue)
Acts 21:40
40 And when he had given him licence,
Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned
with the hand unto the people. And when
there was made a great silence, he spake
unto [them] in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
****This tongue was named "Hebrew
tongue" again, a LANGUAGE. ( Hebrew?
Not the language of the Jews!?) Acts 22:2
2 (And when they heard that he spake in
the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the
more silence: and he saith,)
****Same as above... Acts 26:14
14 And when we were all fallen to the
earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me,
and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul,
Saul, why persecutest thou me? [it is]
hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
****Again, the language was "Hebrew
tongue".
Until now, there has been no
mentioning of a "Blessed Language"
between an individual and God..Wherever
there was tongues there were men that
understood everything in his on language.
Blessed be the Power of God.
If someone does speak in tongues and
YOU do not understand them, Then read
below:
I Cor. Chapter 14:
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the
tongue words easy to be understood, how
shall it be known what is spoken? for ye
shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of
voices in the world, and none of them [is]
without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of
the voice, I shall be unto him that
speaketh a barbarian, and he that
speaketh [shall be] a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are
zealous of spiritual [gifts], seek that
ye may excel to the edifying of the
church.
***** Notice verse 11: If you don't
understand, then they are "BARBARIANS"
plain and simple..
No need to speak with a forked tongue,
we've got the Bible!
Teno Groppi
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